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There is a handful of non-user information about Rolleiflex 135 SLR series so I hope enthusiastic hobbyists here can share your great experienece.

I have a few points to raise:
1. Are the lenses of QBM I to QBM IV usable on SLRs from SL35 to 3003? Are their differences analogous to that between MM and AE lenses of Contax RTS series?

2. (Personally speaking) The main attraction of this series is Carl Zeiss lenses, with their characteristic triangular aperture blades. Most interestingly, it contains some of the designs which were only made by Carl Zeiss in Germany for this line of SLR, the D35 f2.8 lens being one prominent example.

3. There are various discussions about the different colour renditions between Contax and Rollei lenses which are attributable between HFT and T (star) coatings. Does that claim hold true for those Rollei lenses made in Germany? I guess not because actually they are T coated as well. The difference is due mainly to difference in year of production, which points to a (slight?) different/advance in the T coating technology, just like its Contax counterpart??

4. The functionality of the 3003 is state of the art at the time when it was released in 1984(?). Does it suffer from the problem unreliability of other Rolleis?

I notice some experts here own and use lenses of this line. Hope that I can see some photos taken by this line to be posted here.


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3. There are various discussions about the different colour renditions between Contax and Rollei lenses which are attributable between HFT and T (star) coatings. Does that claim hold true for those Rollei lenses made in Germany? I guess not because actually they are T coated as well. The difference is due mainly to difference in year of production, which points to a (slight?) different/advance in the T coating technology, just like its Contax counterpart??


I think, in principle, the color renderation of Rollei 135mm lens are different from Contax series. Reference is made to a test in comparing 85f1.4 from Rollei, Contax 100f2 & Contax 85f1.2, the color produced by that Rollei Planer 85f1.4 is not as "strong" as the Contax CY one. I am not sure if this result is due to the lens design of this Rollei lens are different then Contax one(?!)

The following link showing some pic taken by Rollei 50f1.4..
http://www.itntokyo.com/users/nomoto/Ga ... lanar.html

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I use SL2000F since about 1992 until recently switched to Contax C/Y. I also own SL35, SL35E, SL35ME, 3003.

him 寫:
I have a few points to raise:
1. Are the lenses of QBM I to QBM IV usable on SLRs from SL35 to 3003? Are their differences analogous to that between MM and AE lenses of Contax RTS series?

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I am not sure what is QBM I to IV. I only know 3 types of QBM:
1-pin type: no aperture info to camera body. Therefore stop down metering for all models. However most convenient to use with SL35 where the camera is designed to work using stop down metering. Should come with a manual/auto aperture switch.

2-pin type: auto aperture (same as 1-pin) and with aperture info transfer to body. Thus work with open aperture metering for all models except SL35. However, this version when use with SL2000F, 3001 and 3003 there is no aperture indication in the view finder.

3-pin type: the latest series, usable on all bodies and with aperture indication for SL2000F, 3001 and 3003.


him 寫:
2. (Personally speaking) The main attraction of this series is Carl Zeiss lenses, with their characteristic triangular aperture blades. Most interestingly, it contains some of the designs which were only made by Carl Zeiss in Germany for this line of SLR, the D35 f2.8 lens being one prominent example.



Many of the QBM designs are different from the C/Y one. 50/1.8, 50/1.4, 35/2.8, 85/2.8, 135/2.8, 135/4(not available for C/Y), 200/4. 35/1.4 I am not sure as C/Y has a aspherical but not mentioned in Rollei catalogue.

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3. There are various discussions about the different colour renditions between Contax and Rollei lenses which are attributable between HFT and T (star) coatings. Does that claim hold true for those Rollei lenses made in Germany? I guess not because actually they are T coated as well. The difference is due mainly to difference in year of production, which points to a (slight?) different/advance in the T coating technology, just like its Contax counterpart??



I but lenses to take photo all the time and very very seldom like to compare detail charateristics. I can only say I like the overall presentation of Zeiss optics, QBM or C/Y alike. However, Rollei HFT has a very nice reddish/brownish look which I like very very much compared to the boring C/Y T* coating but in terms of look only! However, comparing the coating of 16/2.8 and 18/4 both mounts look alike for these 2.


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4. The functionality of the 3003 is state of the art at the time when it was released in 1984(?). Does it suffer from the problem unreliability of other Rolleis?



IMHO 3003 in many expects is still state of the art. Even to date still the only SLR with:
interchangable magazine
integrated vertical and eye-level finder
whether or not these features are practical is another story.

Just take the film magazine and battery apart u will realise how small the body is, compared to Canon F1 with winder and Nikon F3 with winder at the same era.

As usual, electronic Rolleiflexs are not perfectly reliable, but I do not have any problems with those I used extensively. By the time 3003 was launched should be quite stable already as SL2000F was the first generation of these wonderful 35mm Rolleiflex.

Hope my info helps.

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Sony. Zeiss 16-35/4 T* G200600 GM100400 GM600
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I also has a few HFT zeiss lens. In the above list, the Zeiss Planar 85mm/1.4 HFT has different optical design than the CZ one. :D


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So looks like the Rollei QBM series Zeiss are almost all different design compared to C/Y probably except 16/2.8, 15/3.5, 60/2.8 and 25/2.8. Also likely to be the same design are the 500/4.5 and 1000/5.6 mirror.

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So looks like the Rollei QBM series Zeiss are almost all different design compared to C/Y probably except 16/2.8, 15/3.5, 60/2.8 and 25/2.8. Also likely to be the same design are the 500/4.5 and 1000/5.6 mirror.

Even 35/1.4?

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fuwen 寫:
So looks like the Rollei QBM series Zeiss are almost all different design compared to C/Y probably except 16/2.8, 15/3.5, 60/2.8 and 25/2.8. Also likely to be the same design are the 500/4.5 and 1000/5.6 mirror.

Even 35/1.4?


For elements and groups both QBM and C/Y is the same. But C/Y spec mentioned an ashperical surface but was not mentioned in Rollei spec. Not sure about this point. But since C/Y Zeiss is one generation after QBM so not surprise that there are some changes/improvements on the C/Y series over the QBM.

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Carl Zeiss C/Y T* - QBM HFT - ZM T* - ZF T* - Batis T* - Otus T* - Loxia T*
Sony. Zeiss 16-35/4 T* G200600 GM100400 GM600
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Share some old pics besides discussion. :P

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Camera & Lens: Nikon F3T with Carl Zeiss (Rollei) Distagon 35/2.8
Film & Develop: Fuji Superior 200; photo-CD.

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happy to see that guys still discuss in this thread one year after my original post

fuwen, fyi, contarex also offered interchangeable magazine.


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fuwen, fyi, contarex also offered interchangeable magazine.


Oh yes, I am aware of that but have forgoten. In fact many items of the Contarex system lived on to grace the Rollei 35mm and Contax 35mm system. Especially the Rolleiflex like the 16 FD, 15/3.5, the triangular aperture of 85/1.4, and who knows the idea of a interchangable back. It is very unfortunate that Rollei was not able to build on a reliable and modern camera system until SL2000F. But the SL2000F/3003 design was kind of unorthodox so maybe that was the reason it did not catch on either. I remembered I took almost a week to get use to handling of the SL2000F.

Actually I was admiring at the 35 S and the SL35E when I was in secondary school but certainly could not afford them. Unfortunately SL35E had hell lot of problem and could be dead any time. That probably bring down Rollei reputation quite a bit. I still have a working chrome and a working black body.

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Apparently the QBM 35/1.4 might be sharing the same design as the C/Y one. Managed to get some old Rollei brochure stating the lens has asperical surface and floating elements. The asperical surface was not mentioned in the new brochure.

http://www.fuwen.net/index.php?option=c ... &Itemid=89

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Sony. Zeiss 16-35/4 T* G200600 GM100400 GM600
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Apparently the QBM 35/1.4 might be sharing the same design as the C/Y one. Managed to get some old Rollei brochure stating the lens has asperical surface and floating elements. The asperical surface was not mentioned in the new brochure.

http://www.fuwen.net/index.php?option=c ... &Itemid=89


fuwen, I share with you a piece of information as my wholehearted appreciation of your keenness.

From a search of patent data of Carl Zeiss lenses in the 1970s, there emerges some well-known lenses including the aforesaid Distagon 35 f1.4. For your information, you may be interested in United States Patent 3,915,558.

Generally, from my reading of patent materials I believe Carl Zeiss employs several (up to about 10) configurations for specific "projects". For this Distagon, Carl Zeiss used 8 configurations. Further, I believe Fig. 4 in the aforesaid patent with the configuration shown as "Example 8" accords with the design as actually produced in the Contax line. Your cropped block diagram of the Rollei does not differ significantly from the mentioned design in the patent material. I believe Carl Zeiss broadly adopted the same design for both.

As to employment of aspherical surface, I forget on which exact surface it is employed. However, the patent material explains clearly.

Here is my cropped of the block diagram (ie Fig. 4)
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Thanks Him brother...very detail! :wink:

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